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on this episode of skeptico remote

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viewer and retired psychic spy

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major paul h smith so bronson himself is

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on record that he only cared about the

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people not about

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the phenomenon um but that's because as

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i think he said on your interview that

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he didn't actually believe in the phone

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on iran

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and he said something about not uh

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he hadn't seen any evidence and

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convinced him i know i'm paraphrasing

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here i'm not exactly sure how he said he

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said i haven't seen any evidence to

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convince him in fact

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kind of just the opposite the fact is he

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never saw any of the evidence he never

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looked into the evidence

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you know he might have listened to some

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of the stories but he of course was able

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to dismiss those because when we did

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tell him credible things and he

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interviewed me at length at the remote

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viewing conference

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and i presented i tried to present

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some real bottom line fundamental this

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is how it really was

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these are the kind of things that we did

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that kind of stuff none of that

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shows up in the book now that shows up